THE TIME: The FPÖ leader Herbert Kickl once said that Austria must become a “fortress like Hungary.” How seriously should you take this?

Michael Ignatieff: Kickl is actually a phenomenon of the Austrian provinces. But now he can – thanks Viktor Orbán – see them as part of an international movement. Orbán once said the key sentence: “After the fall of the wall, we here in Central Europe believed that Europe was our future. Now it shows that we are the future of Europe.” And Kickl believes that too.